Steam in bread baking: Method #1 The simplest method of adding steam to your oven is to spray the loaf with warm water prior to putting it into the oven. 3. All very interesting. I tried less time, but this yields a thicker crust that I like better. As is so often the case, we have chance to thank for the creation of a new type of food. The idea of the steel or stone is that a transfer is a lot of heat immediately to the loaf contributing to oven spring. It's been very helpful as I learn to cook bread, in particular using the Ken Forkish method, but in a Miele Combi-steam DGC6600 (so, no cloche). 1. In the end, with any oven it's all trial and error. I use the Forkish book and have for several years. I have a Meile Combi Steam Oven... and I'm just starting to bake breads. I pre-heated for 30 minutes. Use of parchment was valuable, particularly since the oven is small. I'll continue to experiment with it - it's narrower than I'd like but seems like a reasonable stop gap measure. Eggs are boiled to perfection. This is what we call the active starter. I'm very briefly holding my phone about 1/8 inch from the glass, to avoid the speckled pattern. At some point after the steam phase is done, I open the oven and yank out the parchment, which is easy once the loaf has cooked a little (there's a video with Jim Lahey doing this with a cloche). Thanks everyone for contributing to this thread! Miele. I have a handful of breads that my family loves and that I make quite regularly. The ovenâs automatic program adds a perfect amount of steam during baking resulting in loaves with a crispy crust and sheen. I just looked and my Miele is a double wall oven with steam and not the CSO; thanks for correcting me on that. Stambler, that makes sense re: oven spring. The second is after 10 minutes - the spring looks good, although the crumb could have opened up more. 2. But I suspect you donât need it. Turns out, once they compensated for the overall longer baking time, the final loaves were indiscernible. Hello. Itâs to conduct the heat. Original baking steel, https://www.bakingsteel.com, is a bit costly to ship to Australia. We have a Blue Star RNB gas oven and a Miele combination steam oven. Anyway, here are 2 photos of bread baking. I can't tell at this point if this minute without 100% steam hurts the baking. The hot steam flows directly over the food to be cooked and surrounds it on all sides. Do any of you bakers wish you had stuck with gas -- thus getting a moister bread backing environment? The final stage was 435 degrees for 20 minutes at 0% humidity. Two main questions is how many minutes before the steam adversely effects the crust and whether I should ⦠This has 15m of steam cooking. Making individual side dishes or a complete meal â the steam oven can cope with all this and more. Sourdough bread. The first 5m are to make sure the oven is steamed up before the bread goes in. There was little on the internet on how to trouble shoot this and I don't think Forkish's book was out yet. I also love my Miele CSO for the much quicker preheat times and for the very precise temperature and humidity control. Fast forward to COVID and I've got an active levain starter and am working at home and am finding so much joy in bread making, with time/schedule to fiddle around, take notes and beyond. They're not great photos, but I think they give you an idea how it turned out. In a second bowl combine the sourdough, 250â280 ml cold water and the oil. I suppose it might make the bottom crust thicker. Add the starter into the bowl, attach the dough hook and knead on a medium speed for one minute. I have become rather efficient at getting the stone in/out quickly. @Silvia Fysch So awesome! By using this website you agree to the use of cookies. I can't tell for sure but I think it's a convection setting. Slide dough in (I use parchment) and I do manual bursts of steam for the first 20 minutes. Place the bone marrow onto a baking tray. Doug - here are my thoughts. Kim - I've used an Emile Henry round stone, for pizza in a regular oven. If you do not have a food mixer, knead by hand for 10 minutes. Your really dont know how long that lasts as I assume removing the lid is more to ensure good browning. Then turn off oven and leave loaf in oven for another 20 minutes to cure the crust. But I am confused now. It was already browning. The steel is on a wire tray in the lowest position. But the broiler is anemic by comparison, and the more complicated oven is not ideal for foods that splatter a lot; those are foods I always prepare in the Bluestar. The process might seem a little long to start with but itâs extremely rewarding and itâs almost magical how just by combining flour and water and waiting a few days you can make such lovely bread. Place a tray on shelf position 1 and a rack on shelf position 2. Sourdough is extremely popular and once you get your starter alive, it will pretty much last forever as long as you keep feeding it. By clicking 'Subscribe' you confirm that you have read and accepted our Terms & Conditions, Privacy Policy and Cookie Policy, Smoked Duck with Roasted Balsamic Rhubarb and Golden Beetroot. I have a Meile combi steam oven and the top temp is 435. Eating healthily keeps you fit: the Miele steam oven is an extremely gentle and healthy way to cook your food. Just curious, why do you remove your stone from the oven? The one that works best for me is convection bake 435F 100% humidity for 20 minutes then 435 0% for 20-25 minutes. Useful when I make 10lbs of bread dough all in one go. Have you tried the bread programs? A feed will be the same process that youâre used to, but now that the starter is alive and active, you want to remove three quarters and replace it with the same amount of flour and water. The first photo is after 2 minutes -- oven spring was just starting. No wonder steam cooking is becoming increasingly popular. It's my first try using a bread lame. When the oven is ready, transfer the dough on to a baking tray, score with a serrated knife and bake for 35 minutes, adding the steam right at the beginning. If your oven doesnât have Moisture Plus, spray the oven cavity with some water as soon as you slide in the tray with the dough and keep the door shut to retain moisture throughout the cooking. The steam oven is a true all-round talent and ideal supplement to your oven and hob. Put bread in with lid on for 35-40 minutes. Preheat a Miele Oven on Moisture Plus at 250ËC with 2 bursts of steam. As a fully fledged steam oven, it offers all the benefits of a solo steam oven. Was it worthwhile? And you just like the crust better with Convection bake? I started out measuring precisely and sticking to a tight schedule. I can also confirm that cooking without a baking steel (instead, on a thin pre-heated baking sheet), does result in less oven spring. It's reassuring knowing there's flexibility here - and that adjustments can be made to accommodate a range of situations. I have a Miele Combi-steam. Glad to hear the burst of steam is working for you. Iâm not home so canât give specifics. Eating healthily keeps you fit: the Miele steam oven is an extremely gentle and healthy way to cook your food. Miele uses cookies to optimize and continually improve its website. Right now, I am using the âForkishâ method utilizing cast iron dutch oven method to generate steam, but the idea of just letting the oven do the work intrigues me. After 30 minutes, you will need to gently stretch and fold the dough in the bowl a few times to help with gluten development. After that, if you want to have a second stage with something in between (like 50% steam), that could work - it depends on how you like your crust. I use the surround setting. Place into the oven on Moisture Plus Fan Plus at 160°C for 2 hours and 10 minutes with 3 bursts of steam, releasing each burst of steam 40 minutes apart. Incidentally, you mentioned steam-assist instead of CSO. Any tried making the no knead bread (the recipe that calls for a dutch oven) with the combi steam oven? I use the MoisturePlus setting and select Surround and then have an option to select how many 'bursts' of steam I want and whether it is to be done manually or automatically. Just put it on parchment paper and slid it in on a pizza peel. A similar problem happens if the oven is too hot -- I once tried getting my baking steel extra hot using MaxiBroil setting 3. My understanding is that hotter is better, and I use Maxibroil since it gets the steel to 475F (I have an infrared temperature gun). This early in the baking process, the bulk of the dough is bound to be cold anyway. In addition, it is also an oven that is equipped with the wide variety of functions of a traditional oven. Sourdough is extremely flexible. Excited to try again. I hadn't seen a description that's clear about this, until now. Remove the onions and continue cooking the cabbage for another 30 minutes. I use it for pizza and baguettes. Not sure if this is the oven, or my lack of skills with a bread lame. I could see your thought process. You will be amazed just what a Miele steam combi oven is capable of! I watched some videos yesterday on shaping high hydration dough. I've been following suggestions from Kim and Chanop -- preheat the steel, use 100% steam for a few minutes, then a "favorite" program like what Kim said (at first, using Surround with 100% steam). I was very pleased with my results! They both recommend using a cast iron dutch oven or combo cooker, and that's worked very well. I always use parchment paper under my bread to ease sliding dough off pizza peel. Cover the bowl, and leave to the side for 30 minutes. (Mine doesn't have it. ), I'm happy with the consistent results. I steam for 10 minutes at 100% then I steam at 60% for five minutes. That's right - I broil the loaf for 15m. It was probably too long of a proof time. Allow the bone marrow to cool. Beautiful kitchens, the latest technology and mouth-watering recipes specially selected for you and delivered as a fantastic newsletter. @Silvia Fysch yes, in these times we must use what we have. Shape into a smooth round shape and place into a floured bread basket or a bowl. We have developed a San Francisco Sourdough Bread recipe that is baked in our 30â Convection Oven using the MasterChef Plus program. Put the bowl into the oven until the dough has doubled in size, about 30 minutes. In practice, the opposite is frequently the case. Don't worry you can change how often you receive emails at any time. and start that going once the bread is in the oven. There is frequent mention of an oven temperature at "60%" or "100%". When ready, remove from the oven and transfer into a wire rack. Here's today's loaf. But the purpose of this bake is for me to see if a more vigorous starter will help produce more holes in my bread. so before I Jump into combI baking I wanted to hear some Input. Hopefully I'll converge on a clear and simple process with the steam oven. Do I need to extend the steam time?Thanks! Here's what I'm doing now. I use a steel for pizza in our Lacanche oven and it turns out beautifully. Since I can go from fridge directly to oven, I think I might get less spread and will try one of these in the Gagg. Chocolate can be melted at 65°C without burning. Place the bread immediately into the oven on Shelf 2, bake for 20 minutes. Then, the oven finishes heating right away, and steam starts after about 15 seconds (I hear that pumping noise). I am fairly new to sourdough bread baking game, but I am quite happy with how easy it is to use Miele steam combi for sourdough bread as well as other baking that moisture would be beneficial. Or just use an old phone. Add the salt and remaining 10ml water and knead for another 4 minutes on a medium speed. I like the Bluestar for the amazing broiler. Making individual side dishes or a complete meal â the steam oven can cope with all this and more. I've had a Miele CSO for a few months now and find this thread very useful. I use the baking steel, but from a local Australian shop, https://www.rocbakingsteel.com.au . I also tried pizza stone with similar results, Score the dough - while preheating and just before bread goes into the oven. Read more. I've been baking exclusively sourdough using Hamelman's recipes for both rye and wheat loaves. Itâs called 'the float test'. I don't know if the 60 is necessary but it doesn't hurt anything. Over time, I discovered where I can fudge things, what techniques work for recovering from mistakes, and what the future bread should look like at the different stages of the process. Anyone played around with different levels of steam and have feedback on your experience / opinions? Parchment makes loading the loaf super easy. It didnât work out too well. I'm assuming the humidity dropped too, but the oven doesn't tell me. I have a combi oven that goes up to 600 so I am going to try 550 preheat with 100% humidity. This is a different method to what bread bakers recommend. I get noticeably more oven spring this way. Iâm new to baking sourdough bread. It has been working well, and I like it better than a stone, more heat retention, better spring, etc. By this time, you will see some bubbles in the jar, and that is the indication that the yeast is developing. Which KA class did you take.? Has anyone used the rye sourdough settings? I can see why removing it is no big deal; the handles on that are quite nice! That's why our range of irresistible Miele appliances are designed with such quality, to allow the greatest creativity to be expressed. I started to type before your reply sunk it. Some common mistakes people make when they bake sourdough is using the starter when is not fully active and there is a very simple test if you want to see if the starter is ready. ( I wanted to make sure there was moisture in the oven when my bread went in.) I have two loaves in the fridge right now. huruta , you can use a steel for baking in a combi, but if you use a steam , or a combi mode, when you first load the bread, it is quite likely the dough will stick to the steel and cause problems. Did you find you had more oven spring with Maxibroil, compared to Convection bake? My steel doesn't fit in the Gagg which is much smaller than my Lacanche oven, so here's what I ended up doing for 2 baguettes: - used lodge cast iron flat griddle that did fit as 'stone', -Preheated oven for 45 min at 450 (the highest it goes), 0% steam, -Added 100% steam for last 10 minutes of preheat, -Baked 20 min 450 w/100% steam (slid in on parchment), -Based 15 min 450 w/o steam for baguette 1 and 20 min for baguette 2. I experience the same temp drop. For other who might come across this post, I got decent rise out of the baguette using the cast iron griddle. This is because cooking with steam preserves the intense and natural flavour of your dishes, but also retains their precious vitamins, minerals and trace elements. Spray the oven once the bread is loaded, and then again about 5 minutes into the bake. 3. Compact or large enough to feed the extended family, you can choose from a range of sizes and attractive steel and glass finishes. it's hotter than 435F (my baking steel reaches 495F), since there is no target temperature set, when I open the door to put in the bread, and close it back up again, more steam is added right away -- it doesn't wait to heat up first. And not only can you taste this in every meal, it has actually been proven in tests too. Oh I forgot to say you donât need a pizza stone. Your loaf looks great!!! Family loved it and didnât bake up like a brick ð±ð§±?! All you need to do is drop a spoonful into a bowl of cold water, if it floats, you can make the dough, and if it doesnât, leave the starter uncovered a little longer until ready. 3. Buyers guide. I neglected to take a final photo, but it's basically the same shape as 10 minutes, but a lot darker. If you have family or friends, you (or them) can share their starter as this is something you will not be able to buy in any shops. Discover the precision and accuracy of Miele with a complimentary 5 course taster menu that brings the appliances to life. Anyway, one question about the stone. This is Forkish's Pain de Campagne, with 1/3 of the whole wheat flour swapped out for dark rye flour (one of his suggestions). I have been baking in larger quantities and I want to stop using my Dutch oven. Discover more. I didn't used a dutch oven for this bread. Miele cast iron came as incentive to buy the combiâgot lucky. Steam ovens; Steam combination ovens; Steam ovens with microwave; Steam ovens. 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